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And I have to say, I like looking at that stuff! I mean, como-on, Snakewood back and sides?!?!?! That is awesome!

[QUOTE=LanceK] I do think the Luthiers Auction will take care of most of our needs. [/QUOTE]
Lance...A suggestion for the little guy, as you shape what seems like a good idea: A low-fee or free "buy it now" section, with a limit of, say, twice-per-year postings, and possibly a dollar, or number-of-items, limit.

Jeff, you may have problems with internet content filtering software blocking your site as when they index they parse words for embedded content so your site would read to a parental control system or some search engines as "luthier sex change" which would be another thing all together.

I know this because I have software on our family computer that blocks certain content and even when I am an adult logged on highlights words or phrases that are questionable. It showed highlighted www.luthierSEXCHANGE.com

It reminds me of a back woods politician who won the election but casting aspirtions on his opponent by claiming that the opposition candidate was a confirmed "thespian" and that he had proof!

I sold someone here some wood. after i did it.
I was thinking of the guys who do sell .
I should have not done that.

very sorry , I should have asked first.
or become a vender and payed my money to this forum.

just trying to help out someone .

I will not do that again guys ....sorry.

Ron steiger   
ps should have read the rules.....

[QUOTE=CarltonM] [QUOTE=LanceK] I do think the Luthiers Auction will take care of most of our needs. [/QUOTE]
Lance...A suggestion for the little guy, as you shape what seems like a good idea: A low-fee or free "buy it now" section, with a limit of, say, twice-per-year postings, and possibly a dollar, or number-of-items, limit.[/QUOTE]

I think in the end the model will be similar to ebay. The listing fee will be reasonable, and there may be a small percentage of the total transaction fee.

Part of the desire to do this is for the obvious reason to give serious builders a place to sell excess stuff, stuff they are not using, etc. This would solve all of these issues, and I think it would be a better format for individual sellers. Commercial dealers could choose to advertising on the forum AND participate in auctions, or simply choose one or the other.

I see SOOOOO much trash on ebay under the headline of luthier that we are also hoping this will be a more "professional" place to buy and sell goods.

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Columbus, Ohio
http://www.polingguitars.com

Oh come on Brock...you mean all wood on eBay is not 7AAAAAAA who would have known it said master grade

How about the very useful group buys (tools, wood, cases, etc.) that involve
minimal or no profit for the (non-sponsor) person who arranges them? Are
these OK on the current site? I have really appreciated participating in
several of them.

As far as I know nobody has ever put a lid on a group buy. A portion of the time a group buy is organized one of our sponsors is the beneficiary of the buy.

I see no problem with that. The only thing I would ask is if such a deal is arranged that we at least consider our sponsors first.

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Brock Poling
Columbus, Ohio
http://www.polingguitars.com

Well I have only been a member 2 days and I already have 1 sweet koa B&S, and potentially another one thru trade {negotiating}- Im loving this place!
I think as long as the listing fee is reasonable its the method that should be pursued by the members.
Cheers
Charliewood

When the Woodshed first came up, I thought that was going to be the place for all the nickel-dime things and horse trading.

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Check my oil too, if you don`t mind,,,

I just want to pipe in as a sponsor. Some have eluded to it but I will confirm that the sponsor group are great bunch of people (not my self, the other guys!) We do help each other out and there is no sense of competition> I have seen the VERY ODD post that made me ask myself (and no one else) "how come they are advertising here without supporting our community?". But this is so infrequent that I don't say anything. I, and I think I speak for the other sponsors, am proud to support the OLF. I advertise no where else except for the odd donation to MIMF to help them out (I'm due for that too ). I am a part time tonewood guy, like many of you I have a "day job" and a young family. I do this to improve my knowledge of guitar making and I fell that I also provide a service to other builders. I had a conversation with Bruce Dicky on day when I told him that I didn't much like being a salesman, thereby my low key approach. He told me that there a couple of ways to look at it and one of those ways is that you are working to get the products into the hands of those that need, a service! I take that to heart. I often send things out where I am not making a buck at it because I made a committment. I think the others that support this forum are the same. I for one won't complain against the actions of the forum's members but I do know that Lance and Brock do stick handle (that's a hockey thing!) those issues on our behalf.

Thanks

Shane

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For those of you who want to sell a pile of product maybe you should consider short term sponsorship?

It's quite reasonable.

BTW I will be back as a sponsor in the near future.. Had to re-evaluate my retail set up and I'm in the process of getting organized and working on some new products that I'm pretty excited to offer in addition to the maple and cedar.

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A tour of our shop (Somewhat outdated)
My Personal eBay profile. BCWoodBug

Shane, The post about your stance and the meaning of salesman just hit home with me. I have spent the better part of 20 years with an attitude of thinking that salesmen were just the people on the phone making promises that they couldn`t keep, and had to hire someone to bail them out of every jam they got into.
I always knew that there was a common need for both of us, one to sell, one to make it happen.
I must now admit that I see it in a different light. My hat`s off to you and Bruce for your wisdom!

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Check my oil too, if you don`t mind,,,

[QUOTE=Shane Neifer] I just want to pipe in as a sponsor. Some have eluded to it but I will confirm that the sponsor group are great bunch of people (not my self, the other guys!) We do help each other out and there is no sense of competition> I have seen the VERY ODD post that made me ask myself (and no one else) "how come they are advertising here without supporting our community?". But this is so infrequent that I don't say anything. I, and I think I speak for the other sponsors, am proud to support the OLF. I advertise no where else except for the odd donation to MIMF to help them out (I'm due for that too ). I am a part time tonewood guy, like many of you I have a "day job" and a young family. I do this to improve my knowledge of guitar making and I fell that I also provide a service to other builders. I had a conversation with Bruce Dicky on day when I told him that I didn't much like being a salesman, thereby my low key approach. He told me that there a couple of ways to look at it and one of those ways is that you are working to get the products into the hands of those that need, a service! I take that to heart. I often send things out where I am not making a buck at it because I made a committment. I think the others that support this forum are the same. I for one won't complain against the actions of the forum's members but I do know that Lance and Brock do stick handle (that's a hockey thing!) those issues on our behalf.

Thanks

Shane[/QUOTE]

That is one of many reasons i'm proud to be an OLFer! Commitment Serge Poirier38807.9394907407

[QUOTE=Shane Neifer] I am a part time tonewood guy, like many of you I have a "day job" and a young family. I do this to improve my knowledge of guitar making and I fell that I also provide a service to other builders. I had a conversation with Bruce Dicky on day when I told him that I didn't much like being a salesman, thereby my low key approach. He told me that there a couple of ways to look at it and one of those ways is that you are working to get the products into the hands of those that need, a service! I take that to heart. I often send things out where I am not making a buck at it because I made a committment.
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I do this as my 9-5 but thats not why I'm here. Wholesale is soo much easier on my nerves Sales aren't my thing but I've found the luthier community in general to be quite a treat to deal with (If you have any complaints try working in business PC Sales/Repair/Warrenty&Service).
I've learned more from you guys in the last couple years than I could have in 10 years on my own. Many of the members have shared tips/tricks & ideas that have also helped me improve my service and products as a tonewood supplier (I'd actually like to give Bruce some extra credit for that. He found me lost on eBay, brought me here and has given me more direction and advice than I could have asked for)

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A tour of our shop (Somewhat outdated)
My Personal eBay profile. BCWoodBug

[QUOTE=allspruce] I sold someone here some wood. after i did it.
I was thinking of the guys who do sell .
I should have not done that.

very sorry , I should have asked first.
or become a vender and payed my money to this forum.

just trying to help out someone .

I will not do that again guys ....sorry.

Ron steiger   
ps should have read the rules.....[/QUOTE]

Ron if your referring to Tim McKnight's request for cocobolo bindings you didn't do a darn thing wrong. Tim asked for some help looking for cocobolo and you helped him out. Exactly what the members here should do. Any sponsor could have replied. I for one didn't have what Tim was looking for. So no need to apolgize. You helped a member in need.

Ditto what my friend Shane said. Bobc38808.1909722222

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Beautiful and unusual tone woods at a reasonable price.
http://www.rctonewoods.com/RCT_Store
The Zootman
1109 Military Rd.
Kenmore, NY 14217
(716) 874-1498

A long time ago I was really into this group of forums, building, playing,
everything. One phrase I heard repeatedly was, "time is money." In a way
you could summarize my faith in part by saying my life is not predicated
on my gain. That's something I hope to be grown more and more into
incarnating. And contrary to the time is money remarks, I've found it to
be something many of you guys do embody as best as we can.

As a recent graduate I had a job offer with the biggest multi-media studio
in town, then resigned after two days because I didn't want to use
something that excites me to make commercials for $60,000 kitchens
when I know people really do die because they have flithy water, no food,
and no medical care.

Which has obviously made me poor, too :D So a few weeks ago I realized
I had some stuff to sell and put it up for sale. Consequently I was able to
get through the month and next month until I get a check for a new job I
have. Ironically, now I've picked up interest in guitar again.

Lance said it was cool once I realized it might not have been. Evidently
sponsors did too. All the wood suppliers I've known wouldn't care if my
$30 bridge set went on the same board as their sets of woods, so it
doesn't surprise me. I know they all have overhead. If someone's posting
a product line without paying the forum what the sponsors do, that's
unethical and embarrassing for them. And at the same time, if a sponsor
gets mis-aligned because I made $15 on a truss rod without getting a
sponsorship myself, they clearly have their gain foremost in their mind.

I've never encountered that kind of sponsor and think the group here
should be supported and protected just as they are.

Shane...I wondered how long it would take for someone to recognize this illusional domain name. That's why when I registered it I also registered www.luthierexchange.com to. And that was the intended preference to use..however, when setting up the site the host got them crossed and used www.luthiersexchange.com instead. Anyway, I have used a redirect and will only promote the one that doesn't say: SEX !! But, thanks for the feedback and observation. I did notice that myself but, never really thought about a parental control picking up on it.

Could those who have a single item or a small amount for sale sell them through one of the official sponsors?

Luigi (away from the forum for a while)

Wow you guys have really posted like mad on this one.

Sounds to me like Lance and Brock have a great system to provide this service, and we will just need to wait a little while for it to come through. Please remember they both have a living to make elsewhere too !

One of the things I love about the guitar making world is that most of the suppliers are pretty small operations dedicated to what they do, and helping not hindering our sponsors here are shinning examples.

Lets be patient and let Lance and Brock handle it the way they want too, they have never let us down before

This forum has great policies on this kind of thing and one certainly doesn't get the impreesion that our group of great spomsors flex their muscles, I've been on other forums where you can't even mention a competitive product without there being a problem.RussellR38808.3514814815

[QUOTE=Jason] For those of you who want to sell a pile of product maybe you should consider short term sponsorship?
It's quite reasonable.
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I think that's exactly what I'm doing. I've been teasing folks with pics of some of the wood I'll eventually be selling, but even though I've made arrangements with Lance, my link etc isn't up there with the other vendors. I'm not going into the wood business, just getting rid of some of the stash that my wood addiction brought me which I will probably never use. (It does me no good sitting on a shelf) The new OLF auction site could be a great place for folks who want to sell a few itmes without getting into a business like the other sponsoring vendors.

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Only badly."

Are you saying thats not the Luthiers adult dating site? I was tempted to post a pic of a bikini clad BobC but for the sake of not offending anyone, i passed. Now try to get that image out of your head!

Bob, you got more than wood that's attractive! I definitely want to meet you one day!        Hesh, give me yer phone number, i'll tell Lacy you're a KILLER! Serge Poirier38808.3765625

Well, here is my .02 cents. Lance and Brock you guys do a wonderful job of keeping this place pleasant, professional and informative and most of all thoughtful, it is no mistake that this forum is all that it is so kudos to you both and THANKS!! . I (like Shane) do the wood sales as a part time business and even on a part time basis it is more work than some might realize but it does allow my wife to stay at home with our 2 year old. The auction site sounds like a great solution and gives everyone a level playing field. For all of you wood junkies out there, you have great sponsors here and some of which are making a living doing so (my hat is off to them and the hard long days that they put in doing three full time jobs at once) and I know I speak for us all when I say thank you, thank you, thank you for your support!!